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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 11, 2011 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

It was an interesting read although i wondered as i was reading it how things like twitter etc would change the dynamics of the tipping point. Honestly I liked Blink and Outliers much better.

It always interesting to see how different the left and right are when it comes to these things. On the right they got pissed about gov't spending and deficits and taxes and a few got organized and formed the Tea Party. Unfortunately the Tea Party lost its way way when the social conservatives and other wing nuts took hold of their original agenda, but they are actually having an impact on politics (good or bad depends on your perspective, i think good because they are weakening the GOP by pushing it to the Bachman/Palin/Perry fringe). OWS like other left wing movements (such as the Democratic National Party!) hasn't figured that out yet. They need you to tell them to move the party a few clicks down I95 and protest where it counts!! Why would Wall Street give a crap about this? What is the consequence to them? Nothing, unless Washington gets involved and that won't happen without a movement that actually effects elections.....like the Tea Party.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

>i think good because they are weakening the GOP by pushing it to the Bachman/Palin/Perry fringe).

that's what I think too. and the loopier they act the better.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 11, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

I think it's fairly obvious that people on Capitol Hill are affected by and frightened of OWS. I'd say that they've chosen exactly the right place to protest. Politicians love to talk about Main Street vs. Wall Street and now they're actually being forced to choose sides. It's about time.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 11, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

Maybe i have been working too hard and not watching enough news. What has so obviously changed in DC because of OWS? What bills were introduced to re-regulate Wall Street? What laws were passed that will tax the 1% that the OWS loves to gripe about? The only legislation i heard about along these lines is inspired by and named after one of those 1%ers and i doubt the Warren Buffet rule will see the light of day.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 11, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

The interviews from Wall St. remind me of this SNL sketch:



Undecided Female Voter 1: See, it's like, you look all around, and you see all this stuff? And, everybody's got stuff but me! Where's mine?! Where's MY stuff?! I'm young, man! I should have stuff, too! WHERE'S MY STUFF?!!

Bill Clinton: Well, that's a really good point. I hear this a lot. I think if this election is about anything, it's about... "stuff". It's about the fact that, under Reagan, Bush, Quayle, more people are working harder and harder for less stuff.

[ Hillary nods and smiles ]

Undecided Female Voter 1: [ twitching ] Where's my stuff, man?!

Bill Clinton: Exactly! Where is your stuff? We're in danger of raising the first generation of Americans who... will have less stuff than their parents.

Undecided Female Voter 1: Stuff! Yeah!

Ted Koppel: So, has Gov. Clinton influenced the way you will vote?

Undecided Female Voter 1: I'm... not voting 'til I get my stuff!

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 11, 2011 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

hahahhahhaha

good one

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 11, 2011 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23OWSPickUpLines

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 11, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

I didn't say anything had changed in Washington. It's only been a few weeks, right? Washington doesn't change very quickly. Hell, maybe nothing will change. But either way, I don't quibble about where the demonstrations are occurring or whether every single person taking part is "on message" or intelligible.

But to the extent that the OWS crowd wants to see greater regulation/oversight of the financial sector, and criminal prosecutions of the people whose illegal acts led to the financial crisis, then I'm all for it. I don't care where they protest. Wall Street is a powerful symbol, so why not?

There are criminals sitting in lavish offices on Wall Street (see Goldman Sachs), and those protestors should be calling for their heads. Yes, Washington has been slow to prosecute, but it's not simply the case that loose regulations allowed this to happen. Part of what happened was actually illegal.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 11, 2011 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

i know it was immoral but not sure how much was really illegal. I am not defending anyone, i really just don't know the answer. I do know that starting with Reagan, every administration allowed the rules to become more and more lenient resulting in greed being completely unchecked. That greed including many people in the 99% who borrowed well beyond their means and could do so because nothing was in place to stop the banks from lending to them. One of the ironies of Rick Perry's Texas miracle is that Texas was not hit as bad by the housing bubble because Texas actually has much stiffer credit laws than most of the country. Why? Because they got crushed in the '80s when oil prices went south and put in regulations to prevent that from happening again. Greed is not just a "crime" of the 1%.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 11, 2011 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tipping Point (Non Dead, Tuesday morning musings)

I agree that it's a societal problem -- people were borrowing more than they could afford to pay back. But firms like Goldman Sachs were clearly doing things that were illegal even under our current lenient regulatory structure. Misrepresenting and knowingly selling toxic assets to your clients -- and then turning around a betting against them -- is illegal. Lying to Congress is illegal. GS did both.